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"He is shown strangling James, as well as using a long black tongue to finish off James." Huh, when? --153.106.4.94

He uses it during the battle in the apartment stairwell, although wiggling the left analog stick around can break his hold rather easily. Xeno the Hedgehog 05:49, 13 August 2009 (UTC) Check out my pic Press x to not die on my page. You can barely see the tongue in this pic--Dfskelleton 08:05, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
The tongue is in this cam-hack video: [1], but I've never seen it in the actual game. Would try to check if I hadn't leant away my SH2. --Painocus 23:18, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, you can see the video on YouTube. Tongue snakes out through his helmet. Also, I'm still more convinced that Pyramid Head, while an executioner, serves more of a punisher and tormentor role with James than anything. He's obviously going to be violent, like any SH monster, and would kill James if the opportunity arose, I don't think he's actively hunting him down specifically to kill him, hence all the time he kills Maria instead. But that's just me.--Faded-Myth 02:47, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

but it is said that the real reason for the pyramid head is not to actually kill james {C but to make him realise his mistake and guilt also he seems to have helped him to {C find new areas in the game by throwing james from the roof of hospital etc so that he can finally understand he has mistaken. Pyramid head is manifestation of james guild. Inside him he feels that he desperately {C needs him.

All of the monsters in SH2 are manifestations of James, and they all have the power to kill James, otherwise you'd have an entire game where the protagonist never dies. AlessaGillespie 08:55, 27 June 2009 (UTC) Yeah, and that would suck cause I can't figure out how to quit to the main menu othr than stand in front of a mannequin/ nurse/ lying figure for 3 minutes yelling "KILL ME!!! KILL ME!!!--Dfskelleton 08:07, November 15, 2009 (UTC)--Dfskelleton 08:07, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
They all have the power to kill Maria to, despite her being a manifestation of James' mind. This probably isn't the right place to put this, but is this something worth noting? ---- Henry-Townshend
I do think the Monsters in this game are trying to kill James, but they don't specifically seem like they will stop at nothing to brutally murder you. Pyramid head could probably rip james to shreds if he wanted to, but he never looks like he REALLY wants to kill him. sometimes, in the battle with the PH duo, he doesent stab me with the spear, he just Bluntly swings it like a baseball bat, or a baton, or a very angry shish kebaub. It does do damage, but not a lot. The lying figures will stop chasing me if I get a fair distance away. the nurses will wait for me to reload. Heck, the only enemy that seemed Bent on killing me is the mary boss.--Dfskelleton 07:29, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Pyramid Head's grunt

The first sound is James and the second sound is Pyramid Head. They are almost identical, which is why I think it should be included in the article. AlexShepherd 21:57, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Even though it's more likely a technical aspect that the grunts are identical, I still find the info interesting. --TheGoodman 22:02, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Shepherd, in Syphon Filter 3, Logan and Mujari have the same grunts even though their dialogue is spoken by different actors. Does that mean they are the same person? Honestly, you blow things out of proportion. At least TheGoodman didn't put that "feel the same pain" nonsense again. Thank you.

Maybe it is because pyramid Head could also represent the dark side of james' soul. Ther is The part that is "Excuse me, have you seen my dead wife?", and there is the dark side of james which is represented by pyramid head's constant murdering, assulting and twitching to show his darker needs, fears, and feelings.--Dfskelleton 08:12, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Pyramid head

Pyramid head is actually more of a protagonist, as he shows James the errors of his ways. - 050294 00:16, 9 August 2009 (UTC) {C Yeah, that makes sense. While he could have just went up o him and said " YO YOU KILLED UR WIEF SHEZ DEAD NAU K THNX BAI", It doesnt leave the same impression as pushing you off a building or repeatedly impaling your wifes clone, now does it?--Dfskelleton 08:03, November 15, 2009 (UTC)


{C Hmm, I see what you mean by this. He's a little of both, really. I mean, the definition of Antagonist is someone who keeps the protagonist from his goal, or the opposing force. Pyramid DOES show James his faults, and he also tries to kill him often. Technically he's both. MissyPyramid 21:03, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

Two Pyramids

I believe that there were two Pyramid Heads from the start of the game, although until you reach the Labyrinth, it's almost impossible to determine which one you are facing at any one time. For the purposes of distinguishing the two, I shall refer to them as Rust and Scarlet, based on the color of their eggs in the game. Let's assume that Rust is the one who wielded the Great Knife. Assuming this is true, he can be found in at least three places before the final battle. Arguably the first place that he shows up is the stairwell in the Blue Creek Apartments. He later shows up on the roof of Brookhaven Hospital, and finally in the area of the Labyrinth where the Great Knife is Obtained. Scarlet is arguably the one to rape the mannequins, and is the first to wield the spear when chasing after James and Maria in the hospital. He is later found in the Labyrinth just before James climbs the ladder to Maria's cell. As for the red one that James initially encounters in the apartment, the only hypothesis I can offer is that it is the initial Pyramid head which subsequently split into Rust and Scarlet. The gallows in the room where the horseshoe is found also bear a "painting" that depicts two Pyramid Heads. Finally, when fighting the two pyramid heads at the end of the game, only one of them will be stunned by an overhead chop from the Great Knife. Your thoughts? Xeno the Hedgehog 05:49, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Possible, quite possible. But I think I agree with the page in which another PH was spawned for the "murder" of eddie (even though he deserved it.) --Dfskelleton 08:02, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
It seems the two PHs already exist before Eddie's murder. AlessaGillespie Talk Contributions 03:11, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, now that I played the game again, I dd wonder why only one pyramid Head was stunned by the great knife. Your theory does make a good point. I did also notice that one pyramid head walked different than the other in the final boss fight and all encounters before. Good Idea.--Dfskelleton 08:51, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. I'm convinced that the second Pyramid Head was created due to James' guilt for killing Eddie. The rust colored egg represents "old" blood and the scarlet colored egg represents "new" blood. In other words, Mary and Eddie. --Geoff77 13:45, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Makes sense. Final Blaster 15:20, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, it does, though another theory is that the rusty egg represents Mary (ugly, old) and the scarlet egg represents Maria (beautiful, new). AlexShepherd 22:25, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm.... Could the second Pyramid Head have been created when James watched that video in his old Hotel room near the end of the game? Maybe the sudden realization that he was the one who killed his wife caused him dread, and having to tell Laura the truth about what he did to Mary could've helped increase his guilt even further, too. As a result, the second PH was created after James realizes what he has done to Mary, and the first PH could've been created at the beginning of the game because James was supressing the memory of him killing Mary, and the first PH was trying to punish him because James was unwilling to accept what he has done to Mary before the start of the game.... Phoenix the Cat 17:40, January 10, 2010 (UTC)


{C These all are very interesting and well thought out! Personally, I don't think Eddie had anything to do with "New Blood" at all. He wasn't a severely focused character like Maria in the game, and the other Pyramid DID exist even before the fight as well. (IF he existed.) But it was a good concept. As for the Mary/Maria? I don't know what to think of that one. I think maybe old blood is for his guilt for Mary, and new blood for his guilt for Mary, for liking her I suppose? (Did she die before scarlet/new blood PH appeared? Because then it could be Old blood for Mary's death and new blood for Maria's... Hmm.) ...Maybe there wasn't even two PHs anyway though? I haven't really looked, but maybe it's just a lighting issue or something. The game does change lighting a lot, I remember. At least, if you are indifferent places, of course. MissyPyramid 21:09, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

There are two PHs in the labyrinth, so the second one couldn't represent Eddie. AlessaGillespie Talk Contributions 04:48, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

No, there is only one Pyramid Head in the labyrinth. You just see him twice in the labyrinth in two different locations. There's nothing strange about that. Hell, he magically shows up in the roof of Brookhaven Hospital despite the door being blocked. Then again, we see Laura twice in the Lakeview hotel. I guess she has a twin sister. --Geoff77 13:37, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

My original interpretation: James' image of Pyramidhead was likely based off seeing "Misty Day: Remains of the Judgement" on previous visits to Silent Hill. Encountering the depiction of 2 planted the thought in his mind that 2 exist and thus they emerged. After hearing the Eddie theory I was hesitant to believe it, but now find it to be the best answer. -- Shoggoth1890 18:13, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
Given that it's strange for PH to be able to be in two places at such short intervals in the Labyrinth, and the etching depicting the two PHs, I'm of the mind that there were always two PHs, and that the second has nothing to do with Eddie. AlessaGillespie Talk Contributions 19:31, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Xuchibara

Translated Memories says of PH: "Pyramid Head is only a representation of James' need for punishment". Considering Translated Memories came out before SH5 or the movie, it seems pretty clear that the developers are telling us that PH is in no way related to any gods of the town, or anything outside of James' own mind. AlessaGillespie Talk Contributions 06:54, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

huh?

Where is PH referred to as wheelbarrow head :S....... Flauros. 02:41, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

i undid the revision. i dont recall him ever being called "Wheelbarrow Head" either...Clytemnestra Vidal I dont suffer from insanity...I enjoy every second of it! 15:12, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Pyramid's head

Like i said some time before, anyone noticed that before he kills Maria again in the Lakeview Hotel, his "helmet" twitch?

It can be a "graphics error", or means that his helmet isnt a helmet and its his real head? or could represent something else, so, what do you think it is?.Bigsister 19:58, June 8, 2011 (UTC)


If you mean the front face of it, yeah, I think that's his tongue. Unless someone can show me a proper model of his helmet from the game with a blank texture applied, I assume his helmet doesn't have an actual hole in it for the tongue to come out of. I think it just stretches from that spot. So maybe he's uh... Excited? *shrug* JaneTheNurse 18:12, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Whately and his "homies"

I have an image of Whately from Dying Inside Issue #5 that shows the "pyramid-like figures" behind him... Can someone post it in the comic gallery since the text mentions it? JaneTheNurse 18:10, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
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I added it to the Dying Inside Issue 5 page, and I added the picture itself to the Dying Inside images category. :) AlessaGillespie Talk Contributions 00:33, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Splitting the Bogeyman from Pyramid Head.

May I suggest that we split the Bogeyman from Pyramid Head? His status as a sub-article implies that he is a variant of Pyramid Head. Maxime Bellend 11:15, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

I'd suggest not... it's just that having an articles for both seems unnecessary when he is essentially the same character. Also, I believe "Pyramid Head" "Bogeyman" "Red Pyramid Thing" are all nicknames. Pyramid Head appears physically different in multiple appearances: SH2, Arcade, film, Homecoming, Book of Memories. Just because he appears a little different and is given another nickname is probably not enough to justify another article, since he's consistently a robed man with a geometrically shaped head who drags a giant knife who takes the role of an executioner. —AlexShepherd 19:13, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
Pyramid Head and the Bogeyman aren't the same entity. The Bogeyman is not a variant of Pyramid Head. To posit otherwise is fallacious. Yes, they look and act similarly but that is because they are both derived from the same concept. For example, the common chimpanzee and Bonobo share a common genus. However, they are different species. The same can be said for the Nurse monsters, they are all different however they are common in that they are derived from (warped perceptions of) real world nurses, which is why the main page for the Nurse monsters is "Nurse" instead of "Puppet Nurse" or "Bubble Head Nurse" because that would obviously be flawed.
So why should the Bogeyman and Pyramid Head have to share a page while each and everyone one of the Nurse monsters get their own separate pages? Unless we list the Bogeyman and Pyramid Head under a common header ("Executioner" or what have you) they should be split. The Nurses all have their own pages despite all the similarities they share, mainly the fact that they are derived from warped perceptions of real world nurses. Do you see where I'm going with this?
Oh, and I didn't comment on the other "incarnations" of Pyramid Head because I haven't played Silent Hill: The Arcade, I haven't seen the film and Book of Memories isn't out yet. I don't know the story behind them (if there even is one) and don't know if they are actually Pyramid Head (unlikely) or just another unnamed monster derived from that same common concept (the hooded executioners of Silent Hill). Maxime Bellend 08:38, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
I see where you're going. Except how do we know that they aren't the same entity/monster? If I remember correctly, the children in Homecoming just refer to him as "Bogeyman" in their poems. One other thing to note: the Gum Head is in both SH4 and the Arcade, and even though it's appearance-wise different, they are on the same page. —AlexShepherd 09:45, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
We know that Pyramid Head and the Bogeyman are not the same entity because they're not identical. Each has their own subtle differences to the other. For example, the Bogeyman Knife is serrated and resembles an enlarged combat knife while the Great Knife is, well, a great knife. The Bogeyman Knife is clearly derived from Adam's military career/Alex's delusions of being a soldier (both are equally plausible).
To reiterate, Pyramid Head and the Bogeyman aren't the same entity. They do share a common "ancestor", if you will, the hooded cult executioners (see Jimmy Stone for an example). The painting in the Silent Hill Historical Society ("The Remains of Judgment") is derived from the image of those hooded cult executioners. Pyramid Head is derived from that painting.
The Bogeyman nursery rhyme is derived from the image of the hooded cult executioners and may possibly have been influenced by the aforementioned painting. The Bogeyman monster is derived from the nursery rhyme. Maxime Bellend 13:46, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
I don't see the point. From what I can tell, Pyramid Head and the Bogeyman both manifest primarily from extreme guilt, thus creating essentially the same monster. The nurses across the series could be put into the same page as Nurse, but there are some other factors that contribute to their maifestation, resulting in a different form, and ultimately, a different monster. Pyramid Head and the Bogeyman both share the same exact purpose as well, being a punisher and executioner, further reinforcing their connection. They may have subtle differences depending on the person it manifested from, but they both represent the same thing. At least that's what I think. Besides, the information about Pyramid Head can also be applied to the Bogeyman, so we already have the information for both in one page. Two in one. Efficiency. Again, just what I think. Interperet as you wish. Ishimura Elite 13:55, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
The point is that they're different. Arguably more so than the Nurses. Three in particular (Bubble Head Nurse, Faceless Nurse and the Nurses from Homecoming) are extremely similar yet they still have their own pages. They are manifested primarily from sexual frustration thus creating essentially the same monster so, by your logic, they don't deserve individual pages either, because it is inefficient and the information from one can be applied to the other two.
There are distinct differences (and not just physical ones either) between Pyramid Head and the Bogeyman. Pyramid Head is a punisher (James lived), the Bogeyman is an executioner (Adam died). Maxime Bellend 15:13, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
Again, I don't know if we can for sure say that the Bogeyman is a completely separate entity due to some mere cosmetic differences. If I wear completely different clothes and a different hairstyle the next day, am I completely different person? Not necessarily. I don't see a huge issue with having his appearance in Homecoming anyway. In some previews and reviews of Homecoming, he's still referred to as PH. Many articles on the wiki combine variants, like, rather than having 5 separate articles for each Shakespeare Anthology, they're lumped together for efficiency. If we did have different articles for each appearance in the series, then we'd have possibly 5-6 articles for each "incarnation". Likewise, you could say he's an "executioner" in SH2 because he executes Maria and is trying to execute/kill James, and you could say he's a "punisher" in Homecoming because he punishes Adam/Alex, and punishes Alex in the Bogeyman ending by turning him into of them. If you could find something stating that they're actually different entities, separate monsters, unrelated to each other, then I'd be more inclined to separate them... —AlexShepherd 17:59, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
Whats the point in making a seperate page? The similarites are practically they manifest from someones guilt massive pyramid head duh practically the same clothing massive blade with SOME differences however a logical explanation is due to the guilt it manifested from and as Alex said hes been referred to as PH in many reviews for Homecoming its not much of a deal in name anyway if you have a nickname or someone refers you to as a different name does that mean it makes you someone different?—Riley Heligo 18:11, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
Either way, I think they're pretty much the same entity. Punisher, executioner, they both do the same. I think it's better to leave it the way it is more for efficiency. On that note, maybe we SHOULD put all the nurses onto one page. Be more efficient. But, eh, I'm not an admin, so do whatever you want, admins. I've said my part. Ishimura Elite 18:17, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
I suppose we should also merge Lying Figure, Straightjacket and Smog, seeing as how they're all essentially the same monster manifested from basically the same themes. Not to mention the Nurses. In your own words, the information from one of each can be applied to its counterparts in the other two games. Does nobody see the contradictions? If we distinguish between Bubble Head Nurse, Faceless Nurse and Nurse, then we should distinguish between Pyramid Head and the Bogeyman. Maxime Bellend 15:35, January 30, 2012 (UTC)
(sigh) How many times do I have to repeat this... in regards to the "Lying Figure"/"Nurse" monsters, there's more evidence suggesting they're separate monsters/entities. However, with Pyramid Head, there's not enough evidence suggesting they're separate entities. Remember, you can't use physical appearance as a bias. As well, Pyramid Head and Bogeyman have currently become synonymous. If there's at least one official source out there which calls the Bogeyman "Pyramid Head", then we can't separate them. I don't see why it matters so much anyway, he only appears like 3 times in Homecoming anyway (always in cutscenes and not gameplay) —AlexShepherd 23:39, January 30, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah its not like its the end of the world if we dont anyway which I doubt we will as Alex said theres more evidence of those monsters being different while PH in Homecoming doesnt even appear in gameplay to establish a true difference if he is different to the one in SH2—Riley Heligo 08:07, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the Bogeyman and Pyramid Head.

What proof is there that they are the same entity? Maxime Bellend 08:19, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

  • The visual similarities in the Bogeyman drawings and what is seen in SH2
  • Mayan Escalante referring to the Bogeyman as Pyramid Head
  • The coding in the game's files referring to the Bogeyman as Pyramid Head

Also, we're keeping this discussion on SH Heaven, not on the wiki. We haven't resolved everything on the forum yet, so don't respond to this, respond to me on the forum. —AlexShepherd 08:32, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Pyramid head not 'created' by James

Bottom left of the page from the book of memories. [4]

"Valtiel is the being that Pyramid Head is modelled after. His form is also seen differently depending on the person."

This suggests that Pyramid cannot be a James exclusive, right? Mechanoise 10:14, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

If anything I would say it's suggesting that Valtiel came first, as in being worshipped by the cult and then basing the executioner's uniform on him. Pyramid Head (RPT) is based on that executioner's outfit. It could be that Valtiel, not RPT, is the one seen differently depending on the person. It's unknown if Valtiel has been around before, due to his importance and potential angel status, or was conjured/manifested out of Alessa/Heather's memories of that character from her cult studies as a child. Either is possible. I'm not convinced they're suggesting more than James's RPTs exist. Sounds like wishful thinking.

Is it possible one is searching for justification for RPT being in more than one game? -PrototypeC (talk) 17:46, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Well this is what Ito has to say on the matter [5]. Mr Hazard (talk)

And this is what Christophe Gans and Akira Yamaoka have to say about the matter:
"Akira Yamaoka and I agree that Red P is not just a creation of James. Saying that Red Pyramid was solely conceived by James in Silent Hill 2 is just one of the explanations for his existence. James is just one point of view. Another perspective is to remember that Silent Hill existed before James and that Red P was one of the executioners in the original history of the town. So clearly, there is not one particular or exclusive manifestation of him as an entity."

AlessaGillespie Talk Contributions 20:16, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Wood Side Apartments

Where did that vodeo gone, where PH is wandering the hallways of WSA and James is hiding from him in the laundry room?

the picture from origins

PHpainting2

so I have a bigger photo of it if any of you guys find it usefull THE10of13 (talk) 15:21, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Dude sweet, is this from Silent Hill: Origins you say? Where abouts? Mr Hazard (talk) 15:32, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

its right here and its also on the page but both of them are kinda small so I made a bigger version of it for people to see THE10of13 (talk) 22:02, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

James seeing Pyramid Head during his vacation

I know I'm going to be opening a can of worms with this one, but this is such a popular misconception which gets spread around like wildfire, it's hard to ignore the elephant in the room. Basically, it goes something like this: Three years ago, James and Mary visited the Historical Society during their vacation and James saw either the Misty Day painting or the Valtiel sect photograph, and this is why Pyramid Head appears to James during SH2. It's extremely simple thinking.

There is no proof of this, and nothing confirms this. The closest thing to it is "three years ago, that figure overlapped with his own feelings of guilt." in the Book of Lost Memories. It's based on the assumption that James must have seen it, otherwise, how could Pyramid Head be manifested from him? This is faulty logic because it's uncertain how the town decides to manifest its monsters, nor does it even mention the Historical Society or any paintings/photographs.

There is nothing confirming that the couple even visited the museum in the past, or that James seeing the painting is the reason behind everything. I want to make this clear that this is not a fact -- and if I'm wrong, prove me wrong. —AlexShepherd 10:52, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah this is one of the many theories that people seemed to have distorted over the years to mean fact. The line you mentioned is too ambigious, but I can see how it can be "twisted" to fit that theory somewhat. Did someone put it on the PH page and list it as a fact?

Mr Hazard (talk) 11:24, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

A line under Symbolism could have suggested this (it has been removed since). I've sifted through tons of material and have never encountered anything saying this, yet I go on forums, Youtube, Facebook, tumblr, and everyone is under the impression that this is a fact, much to my annoyance. :| —AlexShepherd 11:53, October 11, 2012 (UTC)
Same. I had a similar instance yesterday where people were insisting that everyone (Laura, Eddie, Angela) in Silent Hill 2 were just manifestations (apart from James), and when the question was put forward about a possible sequel featuring Laura they deemed it "impossible" because they believed that she didn't exist in the first place ;/. It wouldn't bother me, I don't mind theories it's just when people argue and state them as fact. That's when it becomes a problem. Mr Hazard (talk) 12:06, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Surprise ending

Something I noticed about the Surprise ending is that if you watch Pyramid Head swing his Great Knife frame by frame, you can see that it actually clips through and "slices" Heather Mason who is just behind Pyramid Head. Just an interesting and humorous animation error(?). Would it be notable to mention in the Downpour section? --Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 06:08, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

I actually like... just watched the Surprise! ending a billion times over to check up on this, but it actually doesn't hit Heather. When Pyramid Head walks in, Heather is to his right, and one thing important to notice is that she backs up/moves to the side. Also helpful to note is that the "Great Knife," to be truly accurate, isn't the "real" GN. One of the very first things I noticed when I first saw the ending for the first time was that it is noticeably smaller and really, almost like an elongated dagger in regards to blade shape. Now, 2:06 is the moment the "slice" seems to happen and is then when watching frame-by-frame is very important. First, you see the handle being lifted, which could be mistaken as part of the knife if one watched it at normal pace. The most important aspect of the scene is actually the angle/perspective change, which in photography and film can cause quite amazing illusions that I've luckily had the pleasure to work with in school for digital photography. When 2:06 first starts, the camera is about right in front of Pyramid Head, but zooms out and is from a slightly different angle and shows that when the knife is swung, it instead goes about a hair to Heather's left, which would coincide with where he slid in-between her. Oh, and the reason I mentioned the blade length was to also tie into this: If it was the real Great Knife as seen in SH2, Heather's proximity probably couldn't resulted in her being hit, but this version is shorter and more narrow. Hope that helps! :D Ozzkat (talk) 02:17, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

Streets of Silent Hill?

When do you see Pyramid Head on the streets? --Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 01:44, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Prolly in the comics. —AlexShepherd 01:47, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Pyramid Head in Other games

did pyramid Head appeared in other videos beside silent hill?Gamma Venom 567 (talk) 04:25, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Valtiel Sect

I see nothing in Lost Memories that says PH is based off of the Valtiel Sect's view of Valtiel. Instead, it just says he's based off Valtiel in general, and heavily implies that PH *is* a form of Valtiel. AlessaGillespie Talk Contributions 04:45, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

http://silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/Pyramid_Head?diff=prev&oldid=65371

This is the revision. You're right, it doesn't really flow to me. I'll change "Pyramid Head's physical appearance was influenced by this incarnation of Valtiel." back to "Pyramid Head is a manifestation that is influenced by Valtiel's existence." —AlexShepherd 08:36, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Bogeyman Question

In regards to the Bogeyman incarnation, I'm not seeing anything about the possible relation to it being Joshua, as he kills Adam like the sacrificed children do but also comes after Alex. I get that it's more obviously guilt and such but it feels like this is a bit of missing trivia or something and have no idea if it is discredited already or where to put it should it be otherwise.

Mjolna (talk) 01:31, December 18, 2015 (UTC)


"The Gecco statue has the underside of his helmet filled with a tumorous, visceral mass, implying that his head is a large fleshy triangle fused to his helmet"

Hello? isn't it like this in the game too? Very obvious in "mannequin rape" gifs.

SURParamour (talk) 17:51, March 12, 2016 (UTC)

Removing opinionated content

I just went through the page and removed a great deal of blog-like, overly opinionated material from the symbolism section. I also removed content that directly contradicts dev statements (such as the Alex/Mary relationship, or PH representing Eddie's death). If you see anything else, feel free to help edit further. :)

AlessaGillespie Talk Contributions 08:03, September 11, 2016 (UTC)

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